i have a question about the alternative medicine apologist site "ConZone" aka "Curezone"?

Question

i have a question about the alternative medicine apologist site "ConZone" aka "Curezone"?

Answer 1

I'm a big supporter of Alternative Medicine and user it myself but I never pay attention to sites such as CureZone. I went on there recently after reading one of Tony's very insightful answers (thank you Tony I like your answers) but I was horrified to see people on there boasting about attacking main-streamers.



Those sorts of people will give alternative medicine advocates a bad name and are playing right into the mainstreamers hands.

Answer 2

P.T.Barnum said it best..."there's a sucker born every minute".

Answer 3

It is akin to cult activity. These people aren't deliberately trying to cause trouble, they mean well but they are horribly misguided. Funny thing is, they think WE are the misguided ones and that we can't see their point. Problem is, we've seen their point, there is no evidence it works and we've moved on. You'll never convince these people otherwise. And yes I am aware they are trying to gang up on us, and that won't work either as one of the alties said above, if anything they are affirming our point.



It's important we stay here to counterpoint the willful ignorance. Tony and his girlfriend are a lost cause, I wouldn't even bother trying to understand them. Remember, they truly believe they are helping, like cult leaders.



But it's important we stay here so other people can see an alternative opinion. Also some of the advice they give here is frankly dangerous we need to challenge it.



EDIT

And now QuackZone and their coven are reporting all our Qs and As. I think it's time we involved Yahoo. This amounts to Internet bullying and won't be tolerated.

Answer 4

I can see how you would not like it, given it's motto of "Educating Instead of Medicating". CureZone is the second largest alternative health website in the world, with over 800 forums. It has some of the most knowledgeable people around when it comes to natural and alternative healing. Like anyplace else, it also has people who participate who don't know much about what they are talking about. Sound familiar?



Now who would this guy be who claims to have a 90% cure rate, hmmmm? I think you are referring to me, and nowhere have I ever said that I cure cancer and I challenge you to find anywhere that I have. I have said that a combination of oleander extract in herbal or patented medicine form, along with a very healthy diet and lifestyle, removal of stress, and key other supplements has been over 90% successful in beating cancer - which it has.



Yeah, some people do worship nature and herbs like a religion. It has been going on for eons. So has the worship of science when it comes to people believing that the science of the day has most or all of the answers (when history has shown us time and again that today's science has but a fraction of the answers and is often overturned tomorrow).



If you want to see your god in a labcoat or at the end of a testube, so be it. I see mine in the face of a newborn child, gazing at the cosmos on a clear night, looking out across fields of natural plants from a mountain vista and in everything that nature has brought us.



EDIT - Research, your lack of knowledge about oleander is apparent. How much have you really studied oleander? Based on what you have said and asked I would say very little at all. I, on the other hand, have researched and studied oleander for thousands of hours.



You have obviously come here with a transparent agenda to put down oleander in general and me in particular - joining today and thus far doing nothing but posting questions and answers against oleander and/or me (and your first one was promptly deleted).



There are not only credible stand alone testimonials, there are also case studies which I have pointed you too:



Case Reports and Studies on Oleander

http://www.tbyil.com/Oleander_Case_Reports_Studies_Bare.htm



Would you like your crow with a side dish of oleander soup?



EDIT - Gary , do you think research's deletion might have had anything to do with calling someone a "snakeoil salesman" and aiming the entire question at attacking another member?



SkepDoc - I have seldom seen anyone post an answer so devoid of class or decency. Much is the shame.

Answer 5

I right diet can give this result ,also combining the right diet and immune boosting etc with chemo can also git this result ,chemo alone is tough ,

some alternative medicines do work and well ,alternative medicine should be tried before you slash and burn and cut .oleander is not one off them ,

their are no real stand alone testominals anywhere to support oleander ,not one ,nothing ,.only from using other methods with oleander a have a few had some sucess,

oleander keeps giting a growing list of stuff to take with it to try and make it work ,sad really

Answer 6

"Evidenced Based" is a major buzzword in Chiropractic circles these days, and some groups try to claim that everything they do is evidenced based while everybody else is not (with little or no proof) usually due to some further study in neurology they have completed usually through their own organization. The fact is there is a large amount of evidence for Chiropractic care (Manga study, Australian, Swedish and British Studies and the Rand Study), so to say Chiropractic is not evidenced based is to ignore, well, the evidence. Double blind studies are not always foolproof, as seen by the large amount of medicines that get FDA approval after these studies and then are promptly pulled off the shelves because they turn out not to work as advertised or to harm large numbers of people. In my opinion the claims from many alt-med quarters are dubious at best, and the danger is they will distract people from getting the real treatment they actually need. People should always look for some sort of evidence for any treatment they are receiving. There are certainly no lack of crackpots and money-grubbers in my profession, and if anybody's recommendations don't seem right to you, or you are being given the hard sell, get another opinion elsewhere, or call the State Chiropractic board to check the status of the office. All the best.

Answer 7

Antony,your going to have to find a way to deal with the hatred or bitterness thats consuming you whatever the origin/cause might have been.

I mean that in a genuine way not as a insult.

Having such strong reactions isn't healthy to you and also in a way is akin to shooting yourself in the foot.

If your purpose is to be a sceptic regarding Alternative Medicine then your going about it the wrong way.

Does it really make a person sane to call some others crazy?

Does it really make a person smart to call another stupid?



Its great for you to be passionate and want to be a skeptic,but do it with facts and evidence.

If you keep using insults-not only is it going to make your character look bad & defeat the purpose of whatever you were trying to achieve,also its only you in the end that has to live with yourself knowing the way you've acted towards other people-in a way your ripping yourself off.



Take Care:)

Answer 8

of course there is a 90% cure rate for cancer because 90% of the people using reiki woo herbs end up dying thus killing the cancer too.

Answer 9

They get away with it because of the combination of free speech and the anonymity of the internet. If a person was actually selling a pill that they claimed cured cancer they would be sued/arrested for fraud if it didn't. However, you can say you know of one on the internet.



What I think is really funny is how the rules of ConZone are basically the same as fundamentalist Christian message boards. Namely, every post is read and if the moderators disagree with it they remove it or never let it be posted. It's just a place where people go to meet other people who believe the same thing and pretend that they are right. It's not a place for healthy debate and open discussion.



Anyone who uses that site is a fool and anyone who recommends it is a criminal.

Answer 10

Surprising they have not ganged up on you and had this question deleted by now - like Researcher's oleander questions.



Not only does that user you refer to make wild cancer cure claims, he actually advises people to not use conventional cancer treatments. The very definition of a cancer quack.



When you see something promoted as a cancer cure, and it has gone straight to sale, bypassing proper scientific channels, clinical trials, publication and peer review, you know its quackery. Every red flag you have should go up. And you can bet there is a book for sale.



On these sites you might see some anecdotal success stories, but without proper controls they can't say how they were really cured. Furthermore, you can not trust the credibility and honesty of these sites - this has been well demonstrated here.



Another red flag is when pressed for evidence, the best you get is very dodgy, poor quality, small, obscure, foreign, non-human or non-related studies. Nothing acceptable by proper medical science.



How do they get away with it? Perhaps not enough people take them to task. Perhaps the relevant authorities or regulations need overhauling. Its easy to take advantage of people when they are vulnerable, and in their own evangelical way, they build up quite a cult following. And that can be hard to deal with as well.

Answer 11

CUREZONE does more to help people then any doctor ever will!!!... they want to put you on 20 pills for something that curezone willhelp you cure naturally with herbs and vitamins... You're vicious insults against curezone have been reported skepdick.

Answer 12

It's just placebo effect at work. If you subjected any of those "cures" to strict double-blind testing, they would crumble like corn flakes.



The reason they work is varied: a) subjective validation b) actual physiological effects of placebo c) good advice on nutrition that often goes along with the quack cures d) natural regression e) complete misdiagnosis by the alternative practioner.



Not all alternative medicine people are deliberately trying to fool people---they've also fooled themselves.



Be careful with this stuff----it can kill you just as easily as a bad "real" doctor can.

Answer 13

I know my answers are long, but I hope the proponents of alternative health take the time to read this one in full.



If you do not like the fact we have freedom of speech in this country, we don't you move to communist china or something?



It is bad enough that people are forced to put disclaimers in their books on alternative health telling people to ask their doctor before following their advice/study/research even though that is the last thing they believe and they know the doctors knows nothing about the topic at hand and will randomly and blanketly said do not use it';



it is bad enough that herbal products makers can put no sign of what illness the product is used for on the label and must find others ways to inform the public for what they need to use it for, but now intolerant people like you are dissing an entire site with many thousands of users for a single person.



Curezone is a powerful site, maybe one of the most powerful on the internet for changing lives to those smart enough to try what is there with their own discernment and listening to see if their inner voice resonates with what is there and then actually trying it and lifestyle changes..



I regularly recommend the work of Dr Schulze and Dr Christopher who cured many of incurables diseases though their combined 7 decades of clinical work dealing with people doctors gave zero hope to and curing many of them of everything, including cancer, at great personal risk for healing people without a license and a combined 9 arrests.



At some of their court cases, like Hoxsey the quack who cured cancer before them, the very people that were healed that someone else put up charges on arrived in court- records in hand- to show the judge their cancer was in fact healed and how badly they suffered before hand and the results of the now clean xrays.



In the case of Hoxsey, sued in the 20s by the AMA and its leader Morris Fishbine, it was shown that Fishbine had not passed medical school etc and as dozens of people showed up and each in turn told their amazing stories with records to back up their healings and terminal illnesses now gone, the judge concluded that the Hoxsey formula did, in fact, cure cancer and the AMA lost the case. It was the only time this had ever happened.



Also many of the things I mention for healings of --say kidney disease-- I saw good results with personally or saw studies on the effectiveness of the treatment. I also make no money on any of the products leaving me without ulterior motives unlike many others on here on both sides so I can be free to recommend only that I really feel works.



Many of the things that alternate health people recommend are just common sense and time after time I have seen new studies on various components of Dr Schulze's incurables program backed up in newspaper articles or new studies showing me repeatedly his clinical work and the many components of the incurables program, in fact, has a real basis.



I personally am a believer in God and nature and its wisdom for the herbs and plants given and created for all our ills and needs. I believe God is all knowing and wise enough to create the things we need to heal and live an abundant, healthy life. We just need to follow the laws of nature.



I believe the Bible when it says the wisdom of men is foolishness to God and his all knowing characteristics. I do not think man holds all the answers.



I have read books based on tens of thousands of medical studies on various foods and herbs that back up the plant does, in fact, contain chemicals that do influence positively the illness they are traditionally used for in the eons of human history.



I believe that all knowledge is built on the work of those who came before us and their experiments and experiences good or bad so we can discard what history shows is harmful (like allopaths bleeding people or using mercury in the past and keep what has proven to work (like hawthorne for the heart or even using leeches for certain traumatic injuries to curtail bleeding as is currently used by allopaths for example.)



I do not believe that every person that lived before our generation were idiots. To the contrary, given the clean environment and its optimal effects on the brain, they may have well been smarter in many ways.



Alternative health is a broad umbrella comprising hundreds of treatments and ideas. I do not believe them all. I also feel the profit motive both for drug companies and herbal supplement makers result in not using helpful products in the case of drug makers due to the fact they are not money makers that can be patented or making inferior herbal products to cut the cost. One must generally use organic herbal tinctures when using herbs and not the commonly used conventional herb capsules.



I find that curezone is an amazing site and one of my favorites due to the large number of people with personal testimonies in helping themselves and others and the large number of highly informed and knowledgeable, very smart people who do not believe the status quo